Should SIKHISM and BUDDHISM Be Viewed As Affiliates Of Hinduism Rather Than Independent Religions?
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Yes indian constituion accepts them as part of hinduism
All three religions (sikhs, buddhists,jains) have Om as their main mantra (om mani padme hum, ek omkar)
Gobind singh while establishing sikh Panthh (he called it Panthh - sect, not a religion) emphasised that Sikhs are there to save cow and brahmins and hindus from the tyranny of muslims
Now idiot sikhs on getting fingers from pakistan say sikh is different relgion and they want khalistan. They have forgotten what pakistan did to their women in 1947,. Japuji sahib has vedanta in simple punjabi and talks about Brahma, Vishnu Mahesh and Durga. Sikhs will one day throw Nanak out of sikhism, to gain khalistan
Buddhism is direct stem from Sankhya philosophy of hinduism, which says there is no personal god, as buddists claim
(and thanks to you, you are one among very few hindus are bold enough to talk of hinduism, not a meek, point gaming hindus. )
Catty beware of ravishing see her hate filled posts against hindus. illicit mixed breeds are like this not her fault)
No, Buddhism is not a religion, they do not believe in god, Hindus do.
not without any supporting reasons. they are decendents of but they do not need to share religious 'stuff'
yeah, just no
Hinduism is more a way of life than a religion. The belief systems invilved are so vastly different, it's like saying Christianity should be part of Paganism. Buddhism is all over Asia, too. In Japan it's largely replaced Shinto and Ancestral worship as the main religion. They are far to vastly different to be considered even related.
no.buddhism and hinduism share some similar characteristics but that's because they're both dharmic religions.buddhism is a philosophy of its own...no saviour.there are many other differences as well
Buddhism made some significant alterations to Hinduism. It is definitely its own religion.
Hindiusm was first. Without the doctrines and reactions of people to hinduism would buddhism have been created. Same with Jainism, I don't know much about Sikhism but I assume its the same.
I think its probably a bit of both. Like Judiasm, Christianity, and Islam. They all formed around similarties and disagreement about basic Judiasm principles. Then formed three different main philosphies and formal doctrine that were so different they created more splinter groups within themselves.
I think its safer to say they're sister religions. Highly related but probably too controversial to show them all their similarties and too presumptious of the differences to say they are the same.
Plus I would add that in modern times, so much of religion is changing that newer and newer versions of old religions show a little influence from everywhere. Buddhism and Christianity. Paganism and chrisitianity (santeria) or vice versa (Christmas-Yule). It goes on and on. What would an alien religion be like.that's what I want to know
Then you'd have to say that Judaism, Christianity and Islam are affiliates of the same religion. They all came from Abraham. Sikhism, Buddhism and Hinduism have many differences so they are different religions. All religions worship the same God with different names, so all religions could be seen as affiliates. Some call Roman Catholicism the Catholic Religion. Not only is it not the only denomination of Christianity, it is also not the only denomination of Catholicism. Protestant churches are catholic but not Roman Catholic. It's good to see different churches and religions as brotherly paths to the same end, but each religion has autonomy from the others.
Every religion carries within it's distinct identity a certain ambiance. Hinduism shares with Sikhism and Buddhism the same ambiance. If a textbook approach is taken, there are many differences and even a schoolboy can easily claim these religions to be distinct from Hinduism but if one takes a second and deeper look, they are not more than affiliates of Hinduism- sharing the same vision in their own distinct manner.
No..! sikhism and buddhism should be considered as seperate religions, BTW, this is very useless issue, even to think about.
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u r such a looser..!!
i agree
but first of all i must comment on this stupid girl above: LOL!
d'u know what?
i mailed her yesterday telling her what i thought of her!
i gave her such points as she wasnt even able to argue up to!
i told her EXACTLY what i thought of her
believe me, i think she is such a moronic idiot that she calls a 'physicist' a physician
and she told me off for writing in internet shorthand, when HER spellings were as bad as hell!
she tells me to pray before a thousand gods before i can stop being villanous!
i told her that she was a looser and actually CHALLANGED HER for an IQ test (online only coz i we cant meet in real life!)
and after threatening her with her reputation...she actually cowered off!LOL.
NOW ravishing: this is only a start,...any more nonsense,.and i can get a BIT more vindictive!lol lol lol
The Indian Government and its laws have made Hindus to the SIKH, JAINA, BUDDHIST, VIRASHAIVA, LINGAYAT, BRAHMO, PRARTHANA OR ARYA SAMAJ and they do not have their separate identity as such. Hinduism itself is not a religion but a culture, tradition, custom and way of Hindus' lives in Hindustan (India). Only the MUSLIM, CHRISTIAN, PARSI or JEW have their religions and except them each and every person is made and is treated a Hindu.
All the post 1947 INDIAN LAWS made all, each and every Indian a Hindu except Jews, Christians, Muslims & Parsis; whether they know, consent or agree or not. Hindus have no DOs and DONTs; they are liberal & broad minded. There are no requisites or conditions to remain a Hindu. A Hindu born to Hindu parents in Hindustan (India) will always be a Hindu even if he denies & rejects Hinduism; believes & prays (or not) to a different God every time, etc. The ancestors of most (over 90+%) of Indian Christians and Muslims were Hindus.
Hinduism is not a religion. It is a culture, custom, tradition, way of Hindus' lives in Hindustan (India). It is claimed and insisted as such by all the well known Hindu priests, scholars, intellectuals, books, scripts, the Ruling Party BJP & Shiv Sena, Bajrang Dal, the Indian & International strongest Hindu organisations RSS & VHP, each and every Hindu, etc.
The word Hindu was given by Persians to people living beyond Sindhu river. It was nowhere mentioned in any holy script. A Hindu is born to Hindu parents in Hindustan (India). No Hindu can be without a caste. Castes cannot be changed by any means; they are by birth. The Constitution of India and the Hindu Code (4 separate Acts) included everybody into Hinduism except Jews, Christians, Muslims & Parsis.
All the Indian Central and State Govts. laws, rules, orders, regulations and all the judgements of the Supreme & High Courts always confirmed that Hindus' castes are unchangeable and are by birth only. People unware of Hinduism and influenced by other cultures/religions shout & cry that Hindus' castes are changeable; they conceal the true Hinduism, Indian laws, Courts' judgements, etc., yet cannot fool the other any more. The CASTE column always appears in each and every application form prescribed by Govt. institutions & offices.
Hinduism consists of four varnas (categories) and thousands of castes therein with innumerable Gods & Goddesses for each such caste. Hindus castes are not equal. Hindus' worship and prayer is the job of their caste, they are born in by nature. Those not included in any of the said four varnas (categories) are untouchables ie worst and dirtiest than dirtiest animals. These Varnas (4 categories) are taught in the Holy Bhagavad Geeta, Verses 40-47, Chapter-18, and are not man made to be eradicated or ignored.
Government of India has united all in Hindus and absorbed Sikhs, Jains, Buddhis, etc. into the Hinduism, uncaring their cries, refusal, denial, shouting, agitation, etc.
Extracted below is Constitution of India and Hindu Code (4 separate Acts) legislated by Indian Parliament and enacted by the Central Government:
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CONSTITUTION OF INDIA . ARTICLE-25
Explanation II.—In sub-clause (b) of clause (2), the reference to Hindus shall be construed as including a reference to persons professing the SIKH, JAINA OR BUDDHIST religion, and the reference to Hindu religious institutions shall be construed accordingly.
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The Hindu Marriage Act 1955
The Hindu Minority and Guardianship Act 1956
The Hindu Adoption and Maintenance Act 1956
The Hindu Succession Act 1956
THESE ACTS APPLY:
1.to a person who is a Hindu by religion in any of its forms or developments including a VIRASHAIVA, a LINGAYAT or a follower of the BRAHMO, PRARTHANA OR ARYA SAMAJ;
2.to any person who is a BUDDHIST, JAINA or SIKH by religion; and
3.to any other person domiciled in the territories to which this Act extends who is not a MUSLIM, CHRISTIAN, PARSI or JEW by religion, unless it is proved that any such person would have been governed by the Hindu law or by any custom or usage as part of that law in respect of any other matters dealt with herein if this Act had not been passed.
In religious studies, the faiths of Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and sometimes Sikhism are classified as Dharmic religions. This is not necessarily because they share origins but because they share themes and terminology. Usually they are regarded as distinct faiths in academia. They are only associated under the banner of having a some similarities. Islam, Judaism and Christianity are treated the same way under the banner of Abrahamic Religion. Daoism, Shinto and Confucianism are united similarly under the title Daoic Religion.
Siddhartha Gautama was born into a Hindu or secular family depending on who you talk to but the middle path that is Buddhism was not born out of the ideas of his family. Buddhism was a new revelation with a focus on inner cultivation and spiritual moderation. It retained some aspect of Hinduism but they are large and vague elements common to many unrelated religions (reincarnation, escape, etc)
Newer forms of Buddhism have also been influenced by East Asian Daoic faith. Chan Buddhism in particularly has been dramatically effected by Shinto and Daoism, taking it even farther away from Hindusim. Tell a typical of Japanese Chan Buddhism that they are Hindus and they will give you quite the funny look.
Jainism's absolute origins are somewhat mysterious in the same way as Hinduism's. However, its emphasis on asceticism and rejection of the Vedas separate it from Hinduism considerably. However, the two have interacted significantly and there may have been some crossover in beliefs.
Sikhism is a unique case. Many scholars view it as a combination of Hinduism, Islam and newer ideas. In this sense it is not an off-shot but a new syncretic faith. In this sense, it is both Dharmic and Abrahamic. However, most Sikhs consider their religion to be in a class of its own.
Parsis are members of the Indian Zoroastrianism community and the faith is not related to Hinduism or the other Dharmic religions. Zoroastrianism is a western religion, possibly the prototypical western religion. Still, Parsis are an integral part of India at this point.
Further complicating the issue is the fact that Hinduism actually describes a number of broad ideas and world views that could easily be described as separate faiths (Vaishnavas, Shaktas, Smartas). Some forms of Hinduism may resemble Buddhism and Jainism significantly in focus but often differ in methods and cosmology.
In another sense, Hinduness is like Jewish identity in that it can have an ethnic component. One can be a Muslim religiously but be ethnically Jewish (If my girlfriend and I had kids, this would be the case). Similarly, one could argue that people that are descended from ethnic Hindus will always be Hindu. I have heard this brought up often regarding Islamic Pakistan and arguments for it being returned to India. I don't know how multiethnic individuals like myself fit into this but I imagine it would be complicated due to the caste system.
As a poster above mentioned, the government of India states that most dharmic faith followers are Hindu but I don't think many will agree that a government is a spiritual or academic authority. For example, the U.S. lumps Middle Easterners, North Africans, Russians and Europeans as White even though many of those groups don't consider themselves as such. Also, Jainism was ruled not to be a Hindu faith in 2005 as per Supreme Court of India judgment, CASE NO.: Appeal (civil) 4730 of 1999 Bal Patil & Anr. vs. Union of India & Ors ;DATE OF JUDGMENT: 08/08/2005. This judgment may lead to a reconsideration of the other faith's legal status.
Then again, this is all about self-identity and that is an artificial mental element. So these religions are what the individual believer believes them to be. Personally, I believe the faiths to be distinct enough to qualify as separate, independent religions. However, I only study religion. I don't practice any of the dharmic faiths or any other faith for that matter.
All that we are us the result of what we have thought; it is founded on our thoughts.
If a man speaks or acts with pure thought, joy with follow him, like a shadow that never leaves him.
in broader meanings, only christianity and muslims are excluded from being hindu.(in India)
i vote for Turiya. Sikhism, buddhism and Jainism are branches of hinduism even if some followers of those religions dont accept it. Truth does not depend upon their acceptance
CATTY : this person answered my questions with hateful remarks against hindus, without any provokation. and if you wish to challenge him/her for an IQ test you will have to spend lot of time in explaining to her what is IQ and how it is spelt !!
Jaswinder : Thanks since you are a sikh yourself your views carry weight . Anyone who understand Sikh Panthh very well will say what you have said.
IT IS MOTHER TO CHILDREN RELATION...
ARE MOTHER & HER CHILDREN SEPERATE INDIVIDUALS?
Mother says : No......we are all one
Children say: Yes..we are not she.
That`s all.
sikhims was created when hindus could not save themselves of mugals.moguals were raping,looting,and taking young girls
away to their country,that is when sikkism was born to save
and defend innocent people.govind singh created his own army
and fought against cruelaty .sikh used to live in jungles.sikh usud to snatch womens from moguals and send them to their
parents or relitve.i do believe sikkism was created to save
hindus,moguals were coverting hindus to muslim.
all 10 guru of sikh were hindu befor their names were nanak dev,or dass.i do admitt.i know lot of siks dont.
HINDUISM DOESN'T HAVE A FOUNDER BUT BUDDHISM, JAINISM,SIKHISM.. ALL HAVE BEEN FOUNDED BY LORD BUDDHA , MAHAVERA N GURU NANAKJI RESPECTIVELY.
BUT BUDDHA,MAHAVERA N GURU NANAKJI ALL WERE HINDUS.SO,WHEN THE FOUNDERS ARE ONLY HINDUS, HOW CAN THESE RELIGIONS BE SEPERATE FROM HINDUISM. THEY ARE A PART OF IT...
They are all seperate religions. They may have connections as do other religions. But they still are independent religions, which have there own beliefs
Pray, first let me know what is Hinduism?
From the additional details one thing comes out crystal clear that you are not just infected with hate but are also foul mouthed. This speaks volumes of your Hindu upbringing.
I will await your comments on this. May Allah guide you to the right path that is Islam. Ameen.
Addition: I thought, Mr. Hans Laxman, that this is an open forum where all the subscribers of yahoo are allowed to participate. You cannot choose as to who should answer your questions. It is unfortunate that you do not subscribe to the views of Zafarullah. Still it does not justify the language that you have used. In fact the kind of inflammatory questions that you have asked or the answers that you have given, deserve worse kind of treatment then this. But my upbringing stops me from foul mouthing some body who does not agree with me. You have given ample proof of the kind of upbringing you have had and also the Hindu tolerance you so vehemently speak about.
But the most unfortunate part is that you are trying to justify one wrong with another, like Narendra Modi and the BJP.
P.S.
I will wait eagerly to read the "big essay". My only request is that if possible don't send an email, but send it in this open forum. Let the world know the truth.
There is no reason to suppose otherwise. You don't have to disagree on agreed matter.
NOT AT ALLLL!!!!!!
No doubt about it ! All the three sects are affiliates of Hinduism and are literally inseparable from it. Many rituals and custom & traditions in Sikhism, Budhism & Janism are to day also similar as to in Hinduism the riligious ethics are enumerated the names of hHindu deities. It may be seen that "RAM" has ocurred more time in Shri Gurugranth Sahib than in Shri Ramcharitmanas.
No because Sikhism and Buddhism are too completely different religons.
Less said and spoken is better and mom mentality never understand logic and reasoning. Every body wants separate indentity and wants to show their strength. No comments. Read between the lines if you can .You are wise enough!!
HOLY INDIA Replaces SECULARISM
“Every life that breathes in India is sacred and every instant holy.”
Paras Kochhar,Fellow Indian
India is a country of different religions.Religions that are meant to inspire fellow Indians to the spiritual path of their choice and embrace it to create harmony and love amongst each other.
This piece of communication aims at breaking all barriers that fellow Indians have created in the name of religion so called superficial man made rituals in this GOD made world.
Most of these obstacles have become a hindrance in the overall development of India.Unfortunately, our leaders have also legalized these barriers in constitution in different forms or are provoking fellow Indians to create preferences on different religions with a biased state of mind.
GOD’s Grace in India :
GOD has left many pointers in India in the form of his teachings (our real wealth) in :
1.Quran
2.Bible
3.Bhagvad Gita
4.Guru Granth Sahib
5.Vedas / Upnishads etc…
Barriers of Secularism :
On Contrary, we have overlooked the above teachings and created our own man made rituals / barriers in different Religions.Most of these barriers are either superstition or hypocrisy that is a major reason of various chaos in our country.
Some of these man made barriers are :
1.Idol Worship - Though Temples are most beautiful symbolic representation of GOD that reminds us of his existence ( even when we are pre occupied with ourwork), but the ritual of Idol worship should be completely wiped off as :
Rather than offering food to GOD’s idol (piece of stone) , we have to learn On how to serve the same food a poor fellow Indian starving for food and Simply being ignored.Self is not against Prasad that we serve but we need to priortise on whom to serve first a dead piece of stone or a fellow Indian in genuine need.
2. Offering or Slaughtering Animals in the name of GOD –
Living beings are divided upon number of senses,feelings and instincts they
have.Scientifically,Humans have most senses/feelings then comes animals and
then comes plants.When we slaughter an animal we are killing his faith to live another moment in GOD’s creation (world).Remember whole world is based on faith and love.And once we eat a body of a slaughtered animal we imbibe his unseen qualities like animal instincts,its feelings.Plants are designed in manner that humans can survive on it.
3.Priests and Sadhus without a single piece of cloth on their body in public.Creates an ugly
picture of India.
4.Religious Conversions -
Different people take support of following methods to force or exploit a needy
Fellow Indian for religious conversion :
1.State Supported or Selfishly politically motivated Leaders trying to Create their own colonial rule.
2.Exploiting various elements like poverty ,illiteracy to create their own Selfish niche.
3.Motivating by intellectual conviction.
5.Personal Laws –
Though LAW should treat everyone equal,but ironically politicians encourage
Personal laws to create a vote bank where they have a biased approach and Make different laws for different religions.What if every 2nd day a person Changes his religion??He will face new law every day in same country(India).
6.Quotas based on religion -
Religion based quotas encourages nothing but social inequality and instills a Feeling of victimhood in majority creating racial tension.
7.Politically motivated bloodshed and riots in the name of religion.
8.Forcing fellow Indians for monetary donations the moment you enter a religious palce.
All the above should be completely banned as its a poison that we are spreading in the form of so called SECULR INDIA which leads to nothing but…..
i)Hatred ii)Division
iii)Conflict iv)Biasness
…amongst fellow Indians.
Have worked out a simple solution for any of the above barrier.
Approach :
Simply , understand that all religion teaches us following basics
1.Holy Omnipresence of GOD.
2.FAITH - Belief in ourselves and GOD’s selfless creation.
3.UNCONDITIONAL LOVE - No matter which religion you think you belong to ,In what Form you may seek GOD (matter or Spirit).GOD’s love remains unconditional for all.
Solution :
1.Replace the word SECULAR INDIA with HOLY INDIA
2.Replace RELIGION with FAITH.
3.Replace monitoring PERSONAL LAWS with worshipping UNCONDITIONAL LOVE.
MY FAITH :
Religion word is actually derived from a latin word religare that means ‘ to connect ‘.To connect
the HOLY spirit of GOD inside us with the limitless HOLY spirit of GOD all around us or with
HOLY spirit of GOD in other beings …creating oneness,integration or unity amongst fellow Indians.
My faith teaches -
1.Put GOD first
2.GOD has bigger & better plans
3.GOD is invisible
4.Understand GOD’s love by imbibing it in your deeds & make him visible.
Assuring to create a HOLY INDIA that has unconditional love and harmony amongst all fellow Indians.
Cheers!!!
Warm Regards,
Paras Kochhar
Fellow Indian
*******THE SIMPLE AND STRAIGHTUP ANSWER********:
SIKHISM AND BUDDHISM ARE VERY DIFFERENT RELIGIONS FROM HINDUISM. THEY ARE IN NO WAY PART OF HINDUISM AS THEY HAVE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BELEIFS!!
The founders of SIKHISM and BUDDHISM might have been inspired by Hinduism during self and God realization.
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